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Hip-Hop Purists Could Kill the Music ForeverPosted by Mike Dreams (Michael A. Hannah) on 10/19/09 | Filed under Features, A Dreamer's Perspective |

The Hip-Hop Purist Debate, Round Two
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Dear Kat Stacks, When Did Being a Ho Become Cool?
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I Can’t Help It, I’m an Optimist
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d-mac |
AMEN, if hip hop didnt change it would have died. Remember disco? |
| Posted on Oct 19, 2009 |
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Mike Dreams (Michael A. Hannah) |
That's one of the genres I definitely had in mind where I talked about past genres dying and fading away. |
| Posted on Oct 19, 2009 |
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M.is |
Mike, very nice. I find myself pushing against innovation in Hip Hop sometimes (for example, Soulja). Other times, I embrace it (Lupe). But no matter what, I respect an artist who tries something different. |
| Posted on Oct 20, 2009 |
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Tyler |
I see your point but I think you need to be careful in confusing true innovation with more of the same. For instance, in your example of Soulja, sure he came into the game in a non-traditional manner, but his actual music in it's audible qualities and lack-luster lyrical ability is merely a continuation of the same commercialized rap that already exists. My point is that dispelling mainstream artists because they make generic music isn't necessarily feet-dragging opposition to change -- it is our job as hip-hop fans to promote the music that best represents the culture and the art-form. To shun certain manifestations of hip-hop isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's quality control, it's preservation. What you have to realize is that from an outside perspective people see "rap" music as something that is less than an art. Commercial hip-hop music has become repetitive and mundane to the point where a lot of people fail to appreciate it on it's own merits. That can kill a genre. And Soulja Boy isn't helping the situation. Tyler http://abovegroundmagazine.com |
| Posted on Oct 20, 2009 |
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Mike Dreams (Michael A. Hannah) |
I understand what you were saying, but Soulja Boy was innovative in the way he accomplished what he did, through the usage of technology and the dance to accompany it and the worldwide craze it obtained, with the duplication of it by diverse races and social groups of people. So in this case, maybe not so much the music, but the marketing and promotional approach in hip hop was quite innovative. |
| Posted on Oct 20, 2009 |
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Ryuk |
Ugh. Sorry Dreams. You sound like another " Emcee" striving for pop stardom. "I ain't got nothin' against nobody tryin' to make a decent living It ain't the money that's the issue Only if that's the reason why these cats are makin' decent music That's when I got beef with you" -Binary Star You do know who they are right? |
| Posted on Oct 26, 2009 |
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Mike Dreams (Michael A. Hannah) |
@Ryuk Fam, that’s exactly my point. You’re trying to hold on to something…but that’s ultimately saying you don’t want the music to grow. “It’s not ‘94 jo, we can’t go back” – Common Pop Music is not a bad thing. People make it seem bad. Pop just means POPULAR. Hip Hop has become POPULAR and what has happened is the same thing that happens when underground artists finally get their due mainstream recognition. People turn on them and feel like the don’t own a piece of them anymore because things have gone national or global now. All the originators are and were great. Now let new elements come in. You gotta be able to let things expand. I don’t think any of the originators wanted the genre to stay the same. They wanted it to grow just like any other music. Of course we have artists who are new who are being detrimental instead of innovative, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Some new artists who contain “pop elements” and don’t just rely on storybook beats are dope and doing big things for the music. Wale, Lupe, Kanye, Talib Kweli (peep his new group), these are all examples of keeping dope lyricism but expanding them musical elements and boundaries of the music. I saw you left a comment and asked if I knew Binary Star. I certainly do. In January of 2008, I opened up for One.Be.Lo right here in Minneapolis at Triple Rock Cafe. I think the aim now is having a balance. The new trend is to have substance and lyricism, but also a marketing mind and the elements in music to reach a lot of people. It’s the Lupe Fiasco SUPERSTAR formula. Intelligent, metaphorical verse with a catchy hook and beat that will have mass appeal. I don’t see that as being detrimental. I see that as innovation. |
| Posted on Oct 26, 2009 |
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THEmissingl1nk |
Its refreshing to see this point of view. What people forget is that the 'Golden Age' of the 90's had some bad but popular hip hop too (Will Smith??). Ten years from now people will look at artists like Lupe (love the Food & Liquor love) and Kanye and Cudi and ask why people don't make music like that anymore. Its a perpetual cycle. If you guys like this post, as I do, check out my own blog: http://willblogforhiphop.wordpress.com/ for posts on Big L, new music, old music and more! HHHs unite |
| Posted on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Mike Dreams (Michael A. Hannah) |
@THEmissing1nk WHOA. I can't agree with the Will Smith comment at all. His music was very dope, and he sold millions. People just hated on it because it was clean-cut, and he was a movie star as well. But all of his work as "The Fresh Prince" and his albums with DJ Jazzy Jeff were great, and he was one of hip-hop's pioneers. His stuff as "Will Smith" was good as well. I actually listened to the full albums; though the singles were just fine as well. He made fun music. If he was classified as "pop" rap, it was definitely way more substance-based than a lot of the newer stuff out now. By the way, if you haven't heard it yet, check out his album "Lost & Found" from 2005. One of the best that came out that year, that didn't get nearly as much recognition as it deserved lyrically and artistically... |
| Posted on Feb 24, 2011 |
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